310. Rhythm and Frameworks feat. Jaime & Jim Sheils

310. Rhythm and Frameworks feat. Jaime & Jim Sheils

Learn how to develop rhythm and frameworks in your business

Everyone wants to be successful in balancing their priorities in life. From business to work, from work to family, and developing one’s self. On this episode of the show, we are talking with Jaime and Jim Sheils who create rhythm and frameworks to help entrepreneurs not only succeed in business, but also succeed at home.

In this episode you will:

  • Learn how Jim and Jaime Sheils manage their life not only as entrepreneurs but also as parents, husband and wife, business owners, podcasters.
  • We talk about why a lot of entrepreneurs were successful in their business but failing at home
  • Learn to how to deal with conflict and difficulties
  • Take a deeper look at how Covid caused them to reach a new audience
  • We answer a question about how they measure success in their business
  • Rethink your podcast- how you do it and why you do it
  • Understand that how trust is built
  • Hear us talk about the practice of apologising
  • Learn the importance of communication
  • Think differently about the ability to help your audience
  • We talk in-depth about strategies on making business and time with the family work

All this and more, on this week’s episode of  Should I Start A Podcast.

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After you listen to this episode I would love you to take these 3 small steps that will help you create rhythm and frameworks in your business:

  1. Start with Vision & Goals
  2. What are the reps?
  3. Schedule the reps.

What you pick as your strategies to grow will depend on where you are at in your business. Pick the right strategy for where you are at and not where you want to be.

These are 3 small steps that if you execute, irrespective of where you are at in your business and podcasting journey will make a huge impact on your making your podcast more profitable & more impactful.

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If this is your first time here, this is Should I Start A Podcast. I’m Ronsley Vaz. Each week you’ll hear me, and a star-studded guest lineup, dig deep into the podcasting process. We’ll bring you tactics, tips and tricks to use in your own podcasting journey. We’ll teach you how to build an audience. And we’ll show you how to keep them coming back, show after show.

So if you want to start a podcast, or expand your current audience, this is the show for you.

Here is the transcript of the entire episode done by a.i. for those who like to read …


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Jaime Sheils, Ronsley Vaz, Mick, Anna Vocino, Jim Sheils

Ronsley Vaz  00:08

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Anna Vocino  00:20

This is should I start a podcast, a show for business owners looking for tips, tricks and ingenious hacks when it comes to growing a business using their podcast. This is your host Ronsley. He’s interviewed more than 1400 people and has been listened to over 5 million times in 133 countries, a TED speaker, author and a podcast purist who believes that we can use our voices to grow our business and our influence, you know, because every conversion in any business always happens in a conversation. And now Ronsley.

Ronsley Vaz  01:03

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of should I start a podcast live today is a treat, because we’ve got two people in the frame. And it’s a really important topic for parents. And one of the things that I would really get loved to get into is how the whole movement started and what the podcast did for the movement. Today, we have Jamie and Jim shields, host of 18 summers, creators of the movement as well as host of the podcast. I love them for the mission that they’re on and have been for a long time. And it’s really cool to see how that has developed over the years. But without further ado, Jamie and Jim, how are you? Great, good

Jim Sheils  01:42

to see you. Ronsley.

Ronsley Vaz  01:43

Thank you for being on the show, I would love to sort of give you a little bit of time to explain the movement of 18 summers, because I feel like it’s something that is great for parents. And I think we kind of like maybe don’t get into that earlier on. But maybe explain what 18 Summers is the movement and how it got started.

Jim Sheils  02:04

Jamie and I started eating summer’s over 10 years ago, because we saw a lot of entrepreneurs were successful in their business, but failing at home. And that’s really quite a tragedy. When you think about it, entrepreneurs are hardworking, they’re creative, they’re wanting to do better things. But if they sacrifice their home life in order to succeed in their business life, I think they’re doing it wrong. And through our own pain struggles and developments, we came up with some simple frameworks and rhythms to help entrepreneurs not only succeed in business, but succeed at home. You know, we’re a blended family of adopted and biological five children running three businesses. And so we were our own test subjects, we were on test phase. And I was definitely the more out of whack entrepreneur that was making himself more available to the business than available at home. And that’s changed a lot over the last 10 years. And I think you’ve seen some of that journey. And it’s something that we’ve put out there publicly, we’ve discussed things that we weren’t always comfortable with. And it’s just a mission we want to share with other families is yes, you can be successful in business and successful at home.

Ronsley Vaz  03:10

It’s an important point, because a lot of us get into business into entrepreneurship, for some reason that maybe happened in the family. It’s like we’re trying to cure our own trauma in a way when we start, Jamie you’ve been, you know, helping kids and through schools and you know, like you’ve that’s your background. How is that change now with 18 summers, what what did you learn, then, that now is different through the movement that or maybe nothing has changed. And maybe you’re reinforcing something that you’ve learned before, through teaching.

Jaime Sheils  03:42

So it was cool about when Jim and I came together as bringing this educational background of Waldorf and Montessori that I have as well as running the school. So I had numbers of parents coming through saying, you know, having similar themes of problems that they were having needs that their family just weren’t being met and seeing these children that really what they needed was quality time, they needed consistency. They needed rhythms. And Jim and I got together and he had all this great entrepreneurial education, and he was in real estate, but he was able to take all the wisdom that he had gained and take all that I had seen in the classroom and in the working with parents and just put them together and say, Gosh, entrepreneurs need this more than anybody needs this because the whole reason entrepreneurs go into business, just as you said, Ronsley VAZ a lot of times this for their family, they want more time they want more freedom. And then what ends up happening is they have less of those two things than ever. And they think, Oh, well, I’m doing this for my family, and then they leave the family behind. And so through seeing those common pools and those common needs and even the the needs that we had as a family coming together and blending, we were really able to create as Jim and said earlier, those rhythms and frameworks to just support families. It’s really not that hard, but I think we make it so much harder than It needs to be by thinking that it has to be big and flamboyant, when really it just needs to be consistent.

Ronsley Vaz  05:04

You mentioned a really good point about us making it complicated. I think we make it complicated because we don’t really know how to do it. I mean, my parents really only cared about me being educated and be be safe. Right? So they’re not the emotional intelligence has come now. And in this generation, I feel and we’re starting to learn how to implement it, what it’s like working together, what is it like, being on a shared mission? Do y’all disagree? And how do you find ways to sort of deal with maybe conflict through having the same mission?

Jaime Sheils  05:35

You know, most of the time, it goes just like that, you know, there’s, there’s a lot of humor that goes into being together like this, we can’t take ourselves too seriously. However, it is huge heart work. So as hard as it is, it’s also very heart. And I think sometimes it’s difficult to separate your heart from your head when you’re working together. And so Jim brought home a term, years ago, creative tension. And that’s exactly what happens is lots of creative tension. And it tends to be those two pieces, you know, like two sides of a bridge, holding up the suspension, you know, you have to pull the rubber band to extend it forward. And that’s really what I would say is probably what we run into the most is more tension than, and it just propels us forward. What do you think?

Jim Sheils  06:24

I think that’s true. I think we’ve also gotten better at not jumping to conclusions not perfect. Just like we always say, there’s no perfect family. I don’t think there’s any perfect business, perfect business partnership, perfect venture, but we have really gotten good at stopping to say, Wait, do you mean this? Or do you mean this? Oh, okay. So we mean the same thing. So I think there’s such extra love and respect for each other, we have this creative tension to come out with better outcomes. But we’re also a little more patient to say, Hey, is that what you meant? Or to get clarity, or one of the things and we joke about this in some of our talks and workshops, I’ve gotten really good at apologizing wrong, you know what one of the things we say is a 10 Minute issue can remain a 10 minute issue instead of a four day debacle. If you apologize sincerely and quickly on something so small.

Ronsley Vaz  07:13

How did you get to that point of apologizing? What made you realize that because that’s something that I do realize, but it is hard to do in the moment? And what goes through your mind when that happens? How do you do that

Jim Sheils  07:27

there is practice to it roughly, but I can tell you, it’s because I got clear on this observation of myself and others. And it’s what I call entrepreneurial immunity, we feel when we work really hard, or we’re in the business, that we are immune from apology, you know, we should get a We should get a pass for being rude for being jumpy for being tense. You know, we saw it in the pandemic, with our you know, with myself in the very beginning of it. And with lots of families we worked with, you know, well, you know, how hard I’m working, the world is shut down. And the thing that I’ve had to remind myself when I’m dealing with my wife and my children, first of all, anything in the business is not their fault. And secondly, I don’t have immunity from being respectful from apologizing. And just Just hearing that one little scene of questioning on am I giving myself entrepreneurial immunity right now has been a really good guideposts for me to make better decisions to not put myself above, because that’s where I see a lot of separation from spouses or from children is when you feel out, well, I can walk right over you, I don’t need to apologize because I’m working so hard. And I’m running one business, five businesses, whatever it is,

Ronsley Vaz  08:36

it’s such a human condition, right? Or when we kind of think that we are above certain things in certain situations, like someone cutting us off, we, it feels like it’s okay for us to get mad. And we kind of do that and take that into other parts of our life when it feels like even though it’s not meant to be okay, when it happens to us. It’s okay if we do it in those situations. And I love that, that you brought that up. So let’s talk about the podcast. How did you start? Why did you start? How long did it take for you to start? And then what has been the thing that stands out since you started the podcast

Jaime Sheils  09:11

in 2020? Right when everything shut down, we had anywhere from two to four live events on the calendar. It was our biggest year for 18 summers so far. And Jim was at maybe our fourth event, and airports started shutting down. The news conferences were happening. And he was in California and we were in Florida. And he was like, I just have to get home like I don’t give a shit. If I never talked somewhere get like I have to get home. And I can’t remember did you end up doing that final talk or did you just come home? I

Jim Sheils  09:45

know you know where my final talk was supposed to be? Ronsley was supposed to be March 17 or no March 16. In New York City, Manhattan. So

Jaime Sheils  09:54

but it was the one before that you’re in California, California

Jim Sheils  09:56

I made and I had to switch all these flights but there was all these talks about You know, closing state borders, and here I am several states away and just want to get home.

Jaime Sheils  10:05

And he got home. And as we were still reassessing as so many people did in the beginning, you know, kind of, we were up there, as soon as the kids went to bed, we’re up, we’re watching the TV trying to figure out what’s going on. And two, and a four year old got dropped into our life. Now, mind you, we already had four children, a three year old, a five year old than two teenagers. And the second week into the pandemic, we got called into foster care. And so our whole world changed. We had a two year old, a three year old, a four year old, a five year old, and then two teenagers, and we were home. We didn’t know what the real estate market was going to do. We had no idea what 18 Summers was going to do. Obviously, we’re not very good with tech by the microphones by this microphone, and Jim bought. And so we thought, oh, my gosh, there’s no way we’re going to be able to pivot, we were just so clueless, but you know what we thought, we’re home. And we’re with all of these crazy people all day long, we should have a podcast because that’s a way for us to reach our audience when when we can’t reach them. And we can talk about what we’re experiencing right now, which is just such a beautiful mess of, you know, pandemic and extra children. And we thought we can help guide people through things like apologizing, like Child Trauma, through losing, you know, communication with their friends, we can help people navigate through homeschooling, which we did before, it was the thing, you know, we used to be the weird people that would homeschool, and so on and so forth. And we realized that all a lot of the things that we did naturally, we could guide others through and just kind of be a bit of a light and a bit of an encouragement. And we thought even if it flopped, all we were, we were just hanging out at home all day anyways. And so since then it’s become we’ve had some incredible guests on everyone from Ben Greenfield, who you know, to Kim, John Payne, who was a, he was my guru like, he is he’s amazing. So he’s like, my Waldorf guru, but

Jim Sheils  11:59

you’re a billionaire, we’ve had, we’ve had so much fun. We’ve had a couple of people, we had a survivor of the one in genocide. So talking about overcoming tough times, that was a big Hay House author with them from surviving,

Jaime Sheils  12:13

and we just talked about everything that is pertains to the human condition and how we can bring that into our family. So, for example, you know, Immaculee, who survived the Rwandan genocide, she talks a lot about forgiveness. And I think, you know, goes along with Jim referencing apologies, like forgiveness is really good for our hearts. And it’s really good for us to model and it’s really good for us to teach our children and for us to have with one another.

Mick  12:40

Hey, this is me, cause I’m a business owner, podcaster. And coach of amazing builders, I’m on the inside of we are podcast members, or as we call it, the Wembley. Now, if you’re thinking about growing your business, using your podcast, and your online presence, come and join us on the inside, I’d love to meet you, James and Rawnsley coaches to get recurring results in our business. And if you want that roadmap, which we all follow to get those recurring results, you can download it at roadmap dot, where podcast.com Now back to the show.

Ronsley Vaz  13:19

You’ve got some really cool ratings and reviews on your podcast, it’s phenomenal. And I have to say that people who just start a podcast like that don’t usually get those kinds of results. It’s because of the community that you’ve already had and built and you found a way to bring them all together to hear your voices, I think is like what a gift and what a blessing. Let’s talk about the mean, you mentioned some of the things that have happened on the podcast. What are the things that surprised you? Like what things that happened that kind of gone? Oh, I didn’t see that coming. You know,

Jim Sheils  13:52

when we had some some bigger people on the podcast, who were we knew, but I was a little intimidated divided on. See if it was worth their while. It was a really fun conversation. And they’ve stayed in touch. And these are pretty influential people. So we were just excited to have them on but we had a real authentic conversation with them. And we definitely built our relationship much closer and now they’ve stayed in touch. So I didn’t expect that. I thought it was like, Oh my gosh, we’re doing a such a favor. I want to be so nervous. But we really just went in there like ourselves, and that was good. I’d say the other thing is, you know, we started to just talk about difficulties in our life right on air. I mean, it wasn’t you know, we have an editor but we’re not editing that stuff out. So our mutual friend Dan Martell, was talking about his add, and how he he was on medication when he was younger. And it really, you know, nothing. We’re not doctors here but it was not good for him. And he got off, got into good shape, got into vitamins and have a different life getting off his add medicine. He went through some really deep times where I had the opposite and I had never talked about it before but it wasn’t many years back. I was going through a tough business separately. addition, there were lots of unknowns, real growing pains in my investment company. And for the first time, my AD D, for the first time ever, I tried medication to help with it, I just felt so overwhelmed almost like getting back to the fifth grade. And it actually made me suicidal for for a few weeks, like almost every night, I woke up with this odd clarity that I’d be better off if I wasn’t here. You know, my family better off we have a large insurance policy, I’m not doing them justice. So it was pretty scary. Ronsley for a few weeks, I’d wake up at night. And so we I admitted that right on the air and James like, wow, you just talked about our shared that Dan shared about his so I might as well share about some of my flaws as well. But also the point was to say, you know, just getting through tough times, they continue to happen. And there’s different ways to get through things.

Ronsley Vaz  15:47

Thank you for sharing that, first of all, because I feel like, you know, after doing this for 10 years, I feel like I’m never surprised about stories. But I’m always surprised when I hear these stories, because people think that a podcast is a content machine. But it’s actually not, it’s this vehicle where you get a chance to refine your argument, get a chance to put your voice out there get a chance to like, have people disagree with what you’re saying, especially if you’re you have good guests on the show who are okay to be disagreeable, you know, and I find it more therapy for myself, like you just witnessed a few minutes ago asking a question that was literally something that I’ve been thinking about for a while and then you bring it up in a conversation, then I get a chance to clarify that. And who knows where that could potentially go. I believe that in this podcast environment, we’re kind of borrowing people’s energy for that little while, right, you’re kind of vibrating at a certain frequency, and then you get in contact with other people who are vibrating at a different frequency. And for that little while, and you kind of shared this great bond, and you get a chance to sort of take that a little little bit of that away and give a little bit as well. But I believe that the podcast is probably the best business development tool that I’ve ever seen. How does this affect your business? Or if at all? And does it get in the way of you businessing at all? And what are the results? Have you seen?

Jaime Sheils  17:17

It’s an interesting question. I don’t think it gets in the way of us businessing I think that, you know, one, it’s been super good for us and consistently sharing our message, which is huge. Because I think previous to the podcast, maybe we had less clarity of what we do you know, people Oh, what do you do? And I’d like have this five minute long, like, wonky explanation of like, maybe what we could do, I don’t know. And so I think that really, diving in deep to our podcast has given us like lots of clarity on our I don’t know, I guess our branding and just on what what it is that we do at all?

Jim Sheils  17:52

I don’t think it’s affected. I think it’s yes, it’s so consistency is important because honestly Rawnsley, I love to travel, but I made a pretty clear decision through the pandemic, I don’t want to go to some odd city in the US for 50 minute talk and be gone from my family, two and a half days, just just not of interest.

Jaime Sheils  18:12

It’s a way to reach our people.

Jim Sheils  18:14

It’s a it’s a way to keep reaching our people, as we’re continuing to do it be who we are, we’re still able to consistently get out to 1000s of people every every week. And that feels really good. Because sometimes you know what it’s done. For me, it’s given me continual inspiration to sometimes you’re like, who’s listening to this? And all? Yeah, we see those numbers. And wow, that’s a lot more than we thought. But you’ll get a note from someone that you might have met at a conference once. I’ve gotten some notes from childhood friends. And I’m like, that I haven’t spoken to in 15 years. I’m going wow. Okay, this is pretty special. So it’s

Jaime Sheils  18:50

even our babysitter who’s a grandmother, she should come she listens to our podcasts on the way to work. And she’ll come in and she’ll be like, mopping her eyes up. She’s like, ooh, that one I listened to today. And it’s so fun, because like, she just listens to then put it out into the world or to use it with her grandchildren or her spouse. And it’s that’s one thing that surprised me as I feel the range of people who listen to our podcast is really, like you said, I feel really inspired by the conversations we get to have. I learned so much. Yeah, I become best friends with everybody that’s on the other side of the screen, which is really good

Jim Sheils  19:27

friendships. I mean, because how often do you have deep talks like that? Even at a big event, sometimes you get to have a few of those right? But now we’re having a few a week. And that feels really good, where it’s it’s not just what’s your favorite color? How’s the weather? You know, and that feels good and something interesting. Ronsley on the business side, you know, I’ve been a real estate investor for 24 years real estate investments and my real estate investment company paid for 18 summers to start it was it was our next but I always thought I had to keep the word world separate. In fact, people who knew me in family education didn’t know I did real estate deals. And people who knew me for real estate deals didn’t know I had a family education business. That was years back, I kept the two separate, I just got bad advice around that. And now I’ve made the two very combined. This is who I am, I do real estate deals and family education. And it has grown both sides. That’s been really interesting to watch. And, and a lot of real estate events where I work with a lot of investors and stuff, they haven’t invited me to do a talk on real estate, they got lots of guys to do talks on real estate, they’ve invited me to do a family talk. So it’s been really interesting to watch those two blossom together. And very odd but very effective way.

Jaime Sheils  20:39

I think we build a lot of trust there builds, there

Jim Sheils  20:41

it is, it’s built a lot of trust. It’s a great word.

Ronsley Vaz  20:44

I’d love to know, how do you measure success in the business or in within yourselves or with the podcast?

Jaime Sheils  20:52

I think success comes for us at the end of an interview. And we can look at each other and be like, Wow, that felt really good. You know, and 18 summers, big heart work. And so when we close that computer, and we’re like, wow, that was awesome. I’d love to talk to them. Again, we could do this again. And we and we kind of debrief and chat about it. That feels really good. When people reach out to us and say, Wow, that made a big difference. Or I saw myself in that or I used what you said to help my own family that success, when we see get our numbers back from our podcast, whatever. And we see how many people downloaded. And it’s like, wow, it’s it’s making a difference. And that’s really what we’re here to do. It’s not the business will come if the work is put into it. I really believe that. And

Jim Sheils  21:37

I think a simple one too. You said it the other day, I think a big one for us. Ronsley success around this is our teens or 16 and 18. They still like to hang out with us. And they’re supportive of what we’re doing. That’s for the theme of what we’re about and 18 Summers is about, and the fact that they’re supportive, and they legitimately still like to hang out with us. I mean, that is a big measurement of success for us, having them still flopped down on the couch want to hang out with us. And it’s it’s a genuine trophy for us.

Ronsley Vaz  22:08

Let’s talk about what you do with the podcasts when the podcast gets recorded. What happens afterwards? How does it get out? What do you do with it? Where do you put it? Do you repurpose? What does that look like?

Jaime Sheils  22:20

We have a great media manager that kind of they take our we just we send them our podcast raw and they dice it up, they make pretty little clips, sound bites, they put us on all the channels. So we really, we don’t touch it, because we would ruin it, I look over them, I approve them. I keep in touch with our helpers and make sure everything’s going well. But we really just release it. It’s one of those things that Jim always says he can write an amazing letter. But if he has to mail it, it’ll never get to the person. And that’s really how we are as entrepreneurs is we’re great starters. And I’m even a great finisher, but I’ve got like all these other things around here that need my attention with 50 kids, like on his children. And so if I were responsible, it wouldn’t get done in the right time, then I would have all this guilt. And so we do we spend money to be able to hand it off,

Ronsley Vaz  23:09

what kind of tips and tricks you might have for someone that’s starting off a podcast

Jaime Sheils  23:13

practice makes perfect, making sure that when you show up, you show up vulnerably, which is huge. And you know, get uncomfortable. I think there are moments in which I’m a little uncomfortable, and I and we might hold back a touch. But it feels so much better when you just let it go and you share openly and you ask the questions just like you did, Ron. So you were like, Wow, that’s amazing how it just flowed? Because it was what was needed. Be respectful of time, right? So sometimes we get people on our podcast that give really long answers. And we run over. And so I just think one thing that we’ve learned from having lots of guests is that we want to always be respectful guests, because we’d love for our guests to be respectful. So that’s one thing. Another thing that a mentor taught us, which is my biggest takeaway is speak in sound bites. So don’t tell big long stories, tell things that can be clipped and used for media things that can be clipped that just make the point and happen a lot faster. So as far as podcasting tips, that’s what I have. Do you have anything technical?

Jim Sheils  24:16

The one thing I would say that’s not technical, and this sounds basic, but I guarantee people are going to be just like me, actually listen to your podcast after it’s edit and it comes out. I like Ronsley When I first started doing family talks, and you know, mine are pretty raw. If I got emotional on stage. I mean, I couldn’t watch that talk for six months. I just couldn’t want I couldn’t watch the tape that I’m like, I don’t want to watch that. I don’t want to see that. But what I when I finally started to man up and watch them, I was like, wow, that wasn’t that bad. And hey, I can do this better. And that that was really good. I don’t even remember saying that. And so now that I’ve started to actually go back and listen to my podcast, I’m less harsh on myself and I’m like I could have said that better or a little more more concise or and We rock that shit. That was a really good episode. I mean, there’s times where I’ve actually entrepreneurs are hard on themselves, but I’ve actually had it myself on the back and gone. Wow, that that sounded a lot better. I’m really glad I listened to this and you’ll start to reward yourself with a little bit of confidence, you know, by going back and reviewing and how to do things better as well.

Ronsley Vaz  25:19

I want to ask this because I feel like this might be a good question to sort of wind the show down on how do you get all these things to work like the business to work the family to work, you have lots of spinning plates,

Jim Sheils  25:32

but we just have like Thursday mornings is our CFO meeting the CFO for two businesses comes over, we go through accounting, we go through numbers, we go through strategy, every Monday now, you know, and that’s been a moving target. But we have podcast planning. So we put we schedule in blocks, things that are important,

Jaime Sheils  25:50

every Tuesday night, we meet with our teens, and we kind of use the eye with them and their friends on anything they want to talk about from, you know, porn, to finances to just anything that they want to discuss. It’s kind of an open open forum to just to be there for them. And so we just put these rhythms in place. And it kind of keeps us from falling off the tracks too far in anything, you schedule

Jim Sheils  26:11

a rhythm. So we tried to give hyper focus and podcast planning to when we’re available to record our podcasts. And that’s a great starting point, if you want to go to our bigger businesses, like real estate, and that, you know, I have certain times that I’m meeting with my team every morning, every nine, nine to 920. Every morning, I’m with my team. So these are the simple rhythms that hold things together for us.

Ronsley Vaz  26:33

I love that Tuesday night one with the kids and an open sort of conversation, you must have had some really, really interesting conversations, what comes to mind when I say that, like which conversation did you think of when I said that,

Jaime Sheils  26:47

we’ve had some embarrassing lines, and they all the children joke from time to time that we go through seasons of like roasting one of one child like that, but they all go through like awkward phases, you know, and so

Jim Sheils  26:59

well, and it’s, you know, it’s funny, just to give the funny in this, like phones are off, so phones are off. But sometimes they’ll have their phones on airplane mode, like if we’re using a calculator or something for like business calculation. So they’ll they’ll still have their phone. So one of the they’ll feel like one of the teens is getting roasted, and they’ll sneak out their phone to video record the reaction of the other one. That’s always a pretty funny, look back. But

Jaime Sheils  27:20

it’s not really a roasting. It’s a time in which we support them. But what always comes up because it’s a forum and everyone can speak and everyone can ask questions as oftentimes they challenge one another. And so when I say they are children, the teens friends will come. And so we’ve got you know, at any given time, you know, two to 10 teenagers in the room and, and there have been some really deep things shared with us. So one of

Jim Sheils  27:43

my best friends from high school, his son committed suicide this year was 17 years old, unbelievable. Athlete, athlete, no signs, they were present. It just It was devastating. And so I you know, I came back from the funeral on Monday, and the next day was Tuesday, and we just had a deep talk about, hey, there is nothing at this age that can’t be overcome. I know things will seem huge. And we’re not. We’re not saying they’re they’re not big. But you’ll learn in years, they’re probably not as big as you’re thinking they are now there’s nothing you can’t come to us on. It was just, I mean, you

Jaime Sheils  28:20

good opportunity for us to show all of the children at the table, because they believe we had two extra ones that night. So we had fourteens. And then every team that came over for a few weeks after that we had the same conversation because we didn’t want it to go unsaid. And so we took the opportunity to show each team at the table, what they overcame, because we’ve talked so much about reps on this podcast today that when you put in reps to overcome things, that shows you that you can overcome other things. And so these teenagers as they’re living their life, if they don’t have an opportunity to overcome things, then they don’t think they can overcome things, you know, each time and so those muscles to be resilient build and when you’re a parent and you show your children, you know that you have the same muscles like Jim and I don’t succeed at everything we do the first time including our relationship, including housekeeping, including real estate deals, you know, everything has to be overcome. And and we explain to the, to the children, like everything is overcome Rubble, you know, and then we also made sure that every child at the table knew like it doesn’t matter if you get somebody pregnant, like we got you if you end up in jail, call us it doesn’t matter what time of day, you know, whatever it may be the horrible, horrible when you’re 17 years old that you could think of, we can get to the other side of that and we’re here. So that is a great excuse

Jim Sheils  29:36

to there’s heavy ones. There’s also for entrepreneurs out there. I mean, our oldest son now, it has been years of demanding him follow his own path. And we wouldn’t help we wouldn’t do the push ups for him but we’d support him and here he is going into his own charter fishing business, which has always been his dream at the age of 18. So we’ll mastermind around his business okay, should you go into this? Maybe You should make this offer on this boat. Here’s how you, you might want to start to market it. So it’s a really fun, cool because

Jaime Sheils  30:06

the other kids who know nothing about fishing or marketing or anything, they get to ask them these questions. Well, well, where would you want to live? If you fish? And then he can, you know, it kind of gets some pondering because we’re all just his his forum to bounce things off each other.

Ronsley Vaz  30:20

Everyone listening, I suggest going to eating some of those podcasts for parents and checking it out. It’s an amazing, obviously, podcast. But where can people find you, Jamie, Jim, if they’re looking for you, and the best place to connect

Jaime Sheils  30:33

18 summers.com is kind of where everything is all of our social handles are there and then email is there. And we get them all and answer them all individually. Really.

Ronsley Vaz  30:43

Thank you for being on the show. Thank you for doing this. I appreciate you giving me your time. And this whole conversation. It actually makes me feel great after I finish the so thank you for everything.

Jaime Sheils  30:53

Thank you so much for having us. Again, Roger. Thanks

Jim Sheils  30:56

for having us. Yeah, keep it up.

Ronsley Vaz  30:58

Thank you. All right. So you still till the end, you found this useful, and you have a business and you have a podcast and a business. And you kind of want to make it work for you and grow your business using this podcast will. You know what, that’s something that I have helped 1000s of people do and 1000s of businesses do in different forms, through an agency in a one on one fashion through a conference in a group and obviously in courses and stuff. So please, I want to be able to give you something that you can use to get recurring results in your business using a podcast. We call it the recurring results roadmap. It is years of putting this in practice. It is the blueprint to get results in recurring results using a podcast if you’d like that, send me a message [email protected] I want to hear from you. I want to hear your voice or I want to hear from you. So if you’ve listened to this and you want that roadmap, please send me an email [email protected] I want to hear from you. Much love and I’ll see you in the next episode.

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